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There has been some interest in a whitewater park on the provo river. I am currently doing a research project on the economic, social, and environmental benefits that a park on the Provo might have.
Please take five minutes to fill out this survey, it will be very beneficial to my project and hopefully the future of a whitewater park on the provo. please forward this link to your friends, kayakers and non kayakers alike. thanks!!
http://survey.constantcontact.com/survey/a07e2mb9hslg1jhj536/start |
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| Posted: 11/02/2009 1:55 PM |
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| yeah! i was the first to do the survey!! GO ME GO ME GO ME GO ME GO ME GO ME GO ME GO ME GO ME!! |
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| Posted: 11/02/2009 2:13 PM |
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| mark- u survey hog you ;-) |
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Stehno
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| Posted: 11/02/2009 2:36 PM |
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| Posted: 11/02/2009 5:38 PM |
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| call Earl @ Colorado kayak Supply, ask him how he feels about a kayak park... |
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tuffshed
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| Posted: 11/03/2009 12:19 PM |
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Originally posted by Stehno
... If you piss off the representatives from the National Forest Service, they will be that much less likely to support the development of white water infrastructure elsewhere. |
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Please explain. How are we pissing off the NFS by trying for a WWP in Provo Canyon? What tool would they use to stop boating in BCC? |
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| Posted: 11/03/2009 1:20 PM |
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The legality of boating in BCC is unclear to me at this point. It seems that SLC watershed concerns are stricter than wilderness areas (where you are allowed to boat). I for one won't be going up there with a boat without written legal clarification in hand. I would be very interested to hear first hand details from anyone who has received a ticket for boating in BCC; please email me offline at:
wasatchbill at comcast dot net
Thanks!~ |
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Stehno
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| Posted: 11/03/2009 1:41 PM |
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| Posted: 11/03/2009 2:04 PM |
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I'm still really confused here, Andy, are you suggesting that Shizz's survey about a park on the Provo and that the desire to have a park on the Provo would in some way inhibit boating on BCC? Or the other way around, boating BCC may piss off the powers that be and therefore they may just tell us to pound sand when it comes to a Provo park? Sorry, I'm by no means the sharpest knife in the drawer, I am in no way trying to be sarcastic, I'm just confused.
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| Posted: 11/03/2009 2:17 PM |
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he is saying dont piss of the forest service with BCC otherwise your not going to get a play park in provo. Though bcc is all hyped up to be illegal, ive been trolling a lot of sites to see if that were true and from what ive seen people are boating down the river on a regular basis, in fact when i was down at Sids (Sids?) one of the guys working there was telling me he was on his way up there to boat. soooooo i dunnno.
I agree with the dont fuck up the fun for others but i also believe that there is little correlation between what happens in salt lake valley on forest service land and what happens in utah valley on a river where they huck clippings in the river from the provo parkway ( yes, im have seen this done by those who take care of the trail). I have built a few decks right on the water of BCC, the permit process is gruleing and such to build structures near the water but we never heard anything about standing in the water. I think as long as your not pissing and taking massive shits in or around the water its fine to boat in it.
but thats just my two dimes and a nickle |
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| Posted: 11/03/2009 2:22 PM |
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I'll avoid geeking out on legalese...but keep in mind that all navigable rivers to the 'ordinary high water line' are State owned. All those shmancy river permits are for access.... if you could parachute in and levitate out of westwater, and pee in your boat, you could eff the permit.
This is all codified by a collection of supreme court cases called the Public Trust Doctrine. Including Utah v. United States, 403 U.S. 9, 29 L.ed 2d 279 (1971). Its boring. Don't read it. But basically, Utah decisively smacked down the feds over control of GSL and contributing rivers (including BCC).
The approval for any whitewater park would start with the Utah Division of Water Rights. (http://www.waterrights.utah.gov/strmalt/default.asp). I work a bit with these guys, and they are really swell. Parking and access and shtuff would go through whoever manages the surrounding lands.
-Stacey
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Shannon, thanks for taking your time and putting all this together!!!!
See ya on the river. Hopefully sooner then later!
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with the direction that this is taking. perhaps I should be more clear. I am doing a research project for school concerning the possibility and the benefits that would come from a park on the Provo River. This survey asks simple questions concerning the demographics of who would be interested in a park. The results will show if there is interest in such a facility, on the Provo River, not in or around BCC.
If you would like to share your thoughts on the survey please do so, but please don't be confused by my motives.
Thanks.
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| Posted: 11/03/2009 3:38 PM |
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Originally posted by Kulla
. if you could parachute in and levitate out of westwater, and pee in your boat, you could eff the permit.
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I already pee in my boat and I recently learned to levitate, now if I could just find a damn parachute! Thanks for that info though, glad there are people like you that understand all the legal crap! Now back to Shizz's regularly scheduled survey. Fill it out Suckas!!! |
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| Posted: 11/04/2009 8:00 AM |
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Originally posted by Newty
I already pee in my boat and I recently learned to levitate, now if I could just find a damn parachute! Thanks for that info though, glad there are people like you that understand all the legal crap! Now back to Shizz's regularly scheduled survey. Fill it out Suckas!!! |
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hey newty, do you still have those poggies? |
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| Posted: 11/04/2009 9:50 AM |
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| Yessir I do and they have your name on em, when you wanna get em? |
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| Posted: 11/04/2009 4:49 PM |
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| just when i see you i guess, I'm up in WA for another week or so but ill call you when i get back into town. Infact i know your out flying around all the time ill just stach some cash under the mat and when you are around provo you can make the switch. Thanks for holding on to those for me! |
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I have an interest in conservation, management, and boating. You seem to know a lot about the local interactions with agencies and past management. Do think we could maybe have lunch sometime and you could give me catch-up things? I'll be back in town after thanksgiving; hope to see you then.
Esther Janie
801.830.3509
stokes.ej@gmail.com |
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| flows | Posted: 11/15/2009 12:37 PM |
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| I have a question. The past 2 years have been big snow years and the Provo has had much more water than normal, especially this year. A couple years of below than average snow and the river all but shuts down. Have you looked at long time average flows and would these be compatible with a park? I would love to see a park there if it could sustain quality play. |
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Augie
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| 300cfs will give you a pretty damn good hole to play in. I saw it myself in Reno this summer. The features need to be designed to play in high and low water. The Reno features were a kind of a U shape that still focused the river at low flows. I think it looked like it would work at least as low as 225-250cfs, maybe lower. Much better than the Ogden Play Park. |
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| .. | Posted: 11/17/2009 1:53 PM |
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We're at about 80 on the surveyed. I would love to hit an even 100 for my methodology. It will make the numbers easier to work with as well as the results being more reliable.
Also, I am not only intending to have kayakers take this survey, I would love it if you forwarded it to your friends and family, hoping to reach a wide demographic. Results and discussion will be compiled in the next day or two. Thanks for your help!
http://survey.constantcontact.com/survey/a07e2mb9hslg1jhj536/start
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